- Tactical vest vs belt reddit For LMG you need to wait until mid game for some ammo basic I mean, its not only a visual difference. Waistline/stomach for the belt). Even more well known brands tend to have their laser molle slack a lot after hard use. Trying out this krydex belt I found on Amazon. I personally like padded belts, over Velcro two-piece kit, especially with as much crap as you plan to mount. Also allows using the belt as go-to kit, with the chest rig to plus up at needed. I can still get to my magazines just as fast as a vest or anything else. But overall, soft armor is gonna be standard. Battle Steel chinese imported Level 4 Ceramic+Polyethylene plates are better by far than anything AR500 makes. about the two belts. I run a 2 pistol + 1 rifle and it shouldn’t take up much more belt space than what you have now and it wouldn’t stick out as far. ~ A sniper rifle and a AR are about 12kg. If you want to go far with a vest, get a super thin/cool t shirt and you’ll be good to go. let’s say I’m a cop at the city gym in gym shorts and sneakers. Do you know what patch changed it? Edit: WOBO 1. 0 belt and in vests from Ultraspire and Black Diamond. The H-harness has molle on the back as well. My only recommendation is to choose the +$10. As far as belts go, I use full grain leathers belts with metal rivets all the way around. I truly believe it’s just a brand name thing with the others. Reply reply 100% team vest. Check out HSGI padded belts. LBV (Load Bearing Vest), which do you prefer? For the sake of argument, lets say you have to be able to carry your primary + secondary weapon, along with ammo and necessary provisions/equipment for a 24 hour operation while still remaining as mobile as possible. The belt is super stiff IMO and not easily adjustable when carrying. I spent years building something similar this using a vest from a military surplus as the base to work off of and patching together random tool bags and belts from home depot. When set up this way, it creates a better ability to disperse weight when that weight is concentrated along the bottom and centerline-back of the vest. The holder helps keep the vest in form, as it requires you to tightly secure the Velcro straps, which in turn pulls the plastic of the holder up to match the curve of the LVS. The soft vest is best. Ferro is just overpriced and it has some design flaws that the Axl belt does not (namely not aggressively bartacking the tegris, thus mot weakening the material; the overlap/tuckable piece design - the 1” webbing Bizon uses creates a weak point; using Curv over tegris, etc. The same can be said for the belt but the vest is more likely to get. I have heard good things about their duty belt, owned one of their under belts and was very happy with the construction. I know there are a lot of AXL Eclipse fans out there but being left handed means having to wear that belt upside down Tegris side up So I've whittled down my choices to the Mech & ARC belt. The new DM Mech belt is the best thing out on the market. Or as you say, you can take OYM. Use code TLDco for a discount. com Apr 13, 2013 · No tac-vests IMHO. What you can do is slap plates into the vest in some situations, or toss a PC over the thing. I have only been playing the sport for about 7 months and I have a G&G CM16 Raider M4 AEG. I was used to carry a full kit on my vest/plate carrier with almost everything a TCCC situation would need, but lately I’ve been involved mostly in private lessons so I’d leave the vest and just wear a minimalist IFAK on my belt. H-Harness vs. So with plate you have a combined 24kg to carry and that means 42% stamina loss. I’ve owned the wolf belt for about 8 months and it’s holding up great. look somewhere else. This way you can get any vest, chest rig, battle belt, or plate carrier you like; most of the common-on-Amazon airsoft vests, such as NCStar, tend not to be very roomy (they're also typically 'short', in that they don't fully reach the beltline). A subreddit for discussing and posting tactical/combat gear. "Tactical fitness" is not doing your normal workout in your kit. As for battle belt. Distribute the weight better. Radio, medical, baton, OC, camera, and handcuffs are negotiable. . It was a total of about 30$. Set up was pretty simple, I cut the belt an inch larger than my size just to play it safe. The benefits of laser cut are innumerable: more mounting positions available, holds tighter to the vest, the material doesn't stay wet or hold water, it's lighter weight, it's less material stacking off the carrier, it doesn't stink as bad due to less absorption, etc. Reloads only, id say a belt. Where do you guys keep your radio and antenna, ptt attached, so it will not interfere with backpack straps. Duty Belt vs Range Belt Work - M&P 2. Here are my thoughts, I started out with a full PC, which I eventually replaced with an ALICE battle belt setup, and got rid of everything I didn’t need, and now I’m still using the belt, but I don’t like it too much anymore, and I’m now actually looking into using an FLC vest setup, as in my opinion, it You can find the wolf tactical belt on Amazon for $30. User preference Axl. Esstac also makes side by side mag holders in many configurations. I won't go too in depth, because I'm not a qualified strength The mesh backed, Enhanced Tactical Load Bearing Vest was not around in the 1980s. Load a holster on the belt (no drop down thigh) and a waist pack to throw mags. Padded/Ballistic Belts. I like it because it has a spear point similiar to my bushcrafty Esee PR4 but more tactical survival like. My only experience is with my DAA belt for USPSA along with their mag pouches. A soft vest covers your ass in that situation. ). Field vest and assault vest provide no protection, but field vest has 500 damage points so it’s durable, you won’t be repairing it all the time Some other commenters said that small items are ok but plate carrier and belt are not - i would argue that the quality gap is not as huge as it seems. In saying that though, I never tried a PC but did have a tac vest. An officer assistance call goes out, I can throw a vest from my trunk on with my pistol and other kit on the front of the vest and I don’t have to try to put my duty belt on gym shorts that definitely won’t hold it up. There is no off season like your typical sport. I do agree with you though, if I’m using a plate carrier then I may as well use a chest rig. 4 grans means 2kg. Generally; worn high, basically a chest rig. Throw a ruck on with a waist pack and it's gonna be miserable. If you have the option to wear a load bearing vest do it. i can go about 3 weeks unassisted off this before going into ultra energy conservation survival. I’ve had a leather sam Browne belt for 13 years on patrol, it was worn, saggy, and could never get the perfect fit. If it’s like all their other products it’s probably badass. Assault vest and buttpack give no real bullet protection but 60 slots, and the Press/Ballistic Vest (with pouches) provide the best protection against firearms but with only 24 slots and a significant weight penalty , especially when wet, I haven't found anything saying that the tactical vest doesn't give the same protection as the stab vest. Main thing catching my eye with the magnetix is the extra real estate you can have on the belt cause I do have a smaller waist🫠 Get the Reddit app Scan this QR code to download the app now Im a medic and have two pouches up front for treating others. Friction Belts. HSGI makes the most prominent examples. For all the battle belts I have worn there is no need to wear suspenders as you can dial in the fit so well with hook and loop. Load bearing vest- a plate carrier that doesn’t carry plates Base system is a Warrior Assault Systems Patrol Belt Kit. Love to get some first hand user experience, opinions, insight, pros, cons, etc. I’m a civilian firearms and tactical instructor, with few courses in first aid and emergency care. An officer at a department I worked at made a really good presentation about the health benefits of not having all that gear on your belt, as well as needing to remove the vest easier in emergency situations, such as needing to swim or administering first aid to an injured officer. Whenever a situation demands a higher level of ballistic protection, you can throw a set of plates over your IIIA armor and wear your vest on top of that ánd have your equipment Tac vests also have unnecessary pockets too, that or they aren't in convenient places. We've worn both a fair amount, but seem to survive M4 and even mosin body shots more frequently than when wearing the assault vest. Edit. That was my point. E. Great entry point when trying out different EDC belts. Also a gusseted crotch so theirs less likely to have a blowout. It's a great little setup. Vests come with plates as a whole kit, no mix and match even if it was physically possible. C) weapon retention. Just something to keep in mind. One on my vest, and one in a dangler If you run shirtless, a vest or belt will still chafe you in random spots (biceps, neckline, armpits for the vest. I have EVERYTHING on my outer carrier except for gun and Taser though. But I know plenty of others who prefer the belt rig. If your looking for a system that offers more coverage, look into a Modular Tactical Vest/ something like the Family of IOTV’s. Since you’re in Florida, with heat and humidity, i’d recommend a vest but i’d recommend trying it As for belts, the inner belt being loop means it’s easy to replace when it gets worn out, leaving the expensive part of the belt perfectly fine. 270K subscribers in the tacticalgear community. you know those early GWOT pics you've seen where guys are legitimately carrying north of a dozen rifle mags, or 20-something 40mm rounds, or 4 SAW boxes, plus like 4 I have a big pack with a molle belt and it has two pouches for bottles on it and some GP and mags, because if I'm wearing that pack I'm not using a belt kit, ao interest the pack belt as my belt kit. These are designed with providing the end-use the most amount of protection against various threats. This is the correct answer. They feature no-slip material on the inside which is supposed to keep the belt from shifting. Problem is that this design uses laser cut molle instead of traditional molle. Lancer Tactical Crossdraw Vest vs Condor Recon Chest Rig As titled states I am wondering whether to pick the lancer tactical cross draw vest or the condor recon chest rig. Best of both worlds would be a chest rig that goes over a plate carrier. I don't think it's obvious that it's better or safer but if you've ever carried a heavy pack, you know how important the hip belt is. This. As soon as a design comes out that’s objectively better, it’ll become more prevalent Get the Reddit app Scan this QR code to download the app now Ratnik 6sh117 vest Vs FLC vest . The vest comes with a plastic holder with two Velcro straps, one running vertically and one horizontally. Granted, most patrol officers aren't wearing rucks or rifle plates. For a cheap mag pouch, I have a postal scanner pouch, as well as a small dump pouch for spar darts and a Husky tool pouch for my ranger finder. I know that last part is kinda dumb, but there are departments that won’t let their officers wear vests with MOLLE webbing, because it looks to “aggressive and tactical”. 75" riggers belt, or a MOLLE II utility belt with ELCS H harness sleeves and salvaged LBV shoulder pads. Not sure why you get less ammo with Tactical vest instead. I like to have the option to draw pistol and knife, and I’m ambidextrous (left handed, but right for shooting). If you need or want to carry more, you need the tactical carrier. Stab vest and tactical vest provide the same protection. Think of it like s-curved straps on a backpack vs straight straps. My battle belts are for a purpose and most of those include either a chest rig / Vest / backpack on top. Thats why there was two basic positions for the LBE. Vests are good for holding armor and protecting soldiers. Add some Esstac Kywis, a dump pouch and a decent IFAK and you are good to go. The belt is comfortable on the hips and everything but the inner padding didn’t work as good for me as I though it would, I personally like a inner Velcro belt with an outer belt but that’s just my personal preference. You look like you have something to protect, and people will want it. A lot of light infantry dudes in the military focus on having the most high speed stuff because that’s what all the “cool” guys wear. Most people have gone to "mid ride", which is where the holster is just dropped enough to sit below a belt but high up on the leg. You may already know this but some police shooting drills and quals entail what’s basically a ‘quick draw’/shooting from the waist to simulate CQB and not enough time and/or space to fully extend and aim. Well worth it. They attach with metal plates you screw to the outer belt to clamp them in place, allowing you to place the pouches the exact millimeter where you want them. 1st line would be what’s on your person in your pockets on your web/duty belt and your weapon Second line would be Alice gear, Molle, vest whatever you are using and that should include ammo,water, first aid, maybe snacks The DM Mech belt or Axl eclipse belt are the best things out on the market. Long video yes. I'd seriously consider a speed pouch on the belt, and feeding the belt from chest rig. It locks up with the inner belt so well. You'll get much better results looking into non-Nerf tactical vests, most are highly adjustable such that they can scale 3-4 sizes for fit, and many newer ones have additional features for comfort like padded mesh linings that also help keep the vest cool in hot conditions, and thicker shoulder straps that won't dig into your neck if you really load the vest down with attachments. Feb 18, 2011 · I use an H-harness and Molle belt. The belts that run through your pants make sense if you’re wearing you “fighting clothes” all the time, or dressing for a training day. Get a weighted belt and lighten the vest weight or a regular belt to cinch the vest to the hips. For a belt, I love the Bison from Ferro concepts IFAK wise. This is pretty compelling; having all the weight on your back requires a different kind of core engagement for sure. i can go more in depth if youd like, i have a doc of The Crye LVS is an NIJ Certified Level IIIA soft armor vest. Just to preface I’m new to the whole tactical belt game. Your actual hips, like by the bellybutton area. g. 45 pistol in a mugging or something. I know plenty of people like the taser on the vest but I hate it. The tactical vest is the best ‘jack of all trades’, combining light ballistic protection with 35 slots. They are 1990s-2000s. No experience with safariland armor. Weighted vests don't normally transfer much to the hips; it's all shoulders. I want to hear your guy’s opinions on a battle belt setup vs. Welcome to /r/Electricians Reddit's International Electrical Worker Community aka The Great Reddit… 380 votes, 268 comments. The T things at the back adjusts your girth. Things on a waistline creates pressure on the hips. I wouldn't trust a company like that with my life. Belts: DM Mech,Axl, GBRS, Arbor Arms, Ferro, ATS Tactical, Raptor Tactical, AWS, Ronin. cooler, lighter, comfier. I don’t bother with the Velcro lined inner for a couple reason - if you need to go code brown fast, having COBRA buckles on both the duty and inner belts makes depantsing very fast; and I’ve never had an issue with my belt twisting around my waist. I find the belt cumbersome for run and gun, plus it snags on things when I enter or exit a vehicle; the vest works much better for me. Tactical medicine is the provision of emergency medical care in a context-sensitive manner, in an environment which may be hazardous due to enemy threats, and which limits movement and resources. The unofficial subreddit for Deadside, a hardcore, open-world, PvP survival shooter being developed by Bad Pixel. Competition belt. 2nd Gen MOLLE FLC with 2 buckles, instead of 3rd Gen zippered vest but adjustment is largely the same. As long as the magazine pouch is for 7. They have a padded belt with Molle on the outside, you thread a riggers belt through it and can wear it over however much, or little gear you have on. The plate carrier holster is located on your chest. However I tend to carry more kit than most as sometimes my backup can be a good 40 minutes out. Perhaps a concealed armor system. 45K subscribers in the QualityTacticalGear community. Depends on what you wanna do with it. The Velcro holds strong. Taps vs plce/jungle belt/Alice So I’m looking at doing either a Taps rig or something similar to the plce or the Alice belt system I wanna carry water and ammo ifak etc the only thing I can see that the Alice system does better than the taps is I can carry a poncho/jacket and food on my person easier anybody got pros and cons of both For me the Kore duty belt is the way to go. Does that make even sense to have a battle belt with IFAK, etc while wearing a big backpack? How do soldiers usually setup for a log distance march? Another thing is a tactical vest and radio. 🤙 Still, even though the belt is light, I like the feel of a wider belt, as I feel like it almost acts like a weight lifting belt supporting my back, and the padded belts cushion the pouches I have on my back from digging into me against the car seat. My belt cinches my pants high enough on the hips I maintain great flexibility without my belt digging into my hips. I have been using a Swedish brand of carpentry tool pants/vests/shorts that have done what most belts and vests couldn't accomplish in my years of searching. I train for my intended purpose. Personally I like the concealment better; it weighs about a pound (mine is lvl 3A) and it is very easy to run, squat, maneuver, vs the outer vest which can weigh a lot more (mine is 16lbs level 3+) harder to run and jump over things and makes you bigger, so if you had to bend down or get back up from being knocked on your ass it's a lot harder From a law enforcement perspective, there's a good reason why an increasing number of departments and officers are opting to move gear from their belt to their vest. I've seen belt kits running multiple rifle magazines. With MOLLE II, the FLC was intentionally kept short in torso height, so that the MOLLE II Ruck belt would be below the FLC stuff. I think a “more tactical look” won’t cut it when trying to convince admin, if they haven’t already switched. To me it felt a lot easier to run or final sprint in and the belt caused issues in the car. Subreddit for both professional and civilian tactical gear. My friends and I, with no statistical proof, seem to believe that a pristine tactical vest gives more protection from bullets. 281 votes, 87 comments. It covers more, most threats are handguns/knives, and it looks better. But you take Tactical vest because of another dmg category. P320 pistol. In general, these jobs require every aspect of fitness, and have to be able to perform 24/7 365. On rare occasions, I've worn both at the same time. I normally use a black nylon work belt and a Cobalt shoulder harness. The DM Mech is $110, and the liner belt is $45. For the normal infantryman in the year of our Lord 2024, the TAP is honestly the better rig. 12 video but the patch was released on official 8 days later with no mention in the patch notes about changing the tac vest. The overlap of your inner belt, outer belt layers, equipment, and keepers is plenty of tension on your hips. I have one with a 2000 contract date (SPO-100-00-D-4025-0005) and 03 date codes on the Fastex buckles, made by Reyes Industries, Inc. duty belt: Ergonomic researchers determine the winner Nov 12, 2018 Officers who carry most of their equipment – which often weighs close to 30 pounds – on vests rather than duty belts experience significantly less hip and lower-back pain, the study found. Came across the Kore belts and purchased after reading Reddit reviews. Video game, movie, and assorted mall ninja equipment posts will be removed. Although tac vests serve a certain advantage in a gunfight, that advantage is outweighed by the high profile look. It's $110 and the liner belt is $45. My technique is for any kind of nylon tool bags; using tin snips or strong scissors cut out whatever pockets look useful and use a lighter to singe your cut pieces. And then for late War in Afghanistan I would have a Army Combat Uniform (ACU) in Universal Camouflage Pattern (UCP) with an Improved Outer Tactical Vest (IOTV) with a Fighting Load Carrier (FLC)? Assuming I would hang the ammunition and extras on its separate Vest rather than attached directly to the Body Armor. I run an older model DeSantis nylon duty belt which I’ve modified so it has COBRA buckles. As for vest vs belt load out, it’s a balancing act. Used it hunting a few times and worked great. For AR + whatever. Reply reply 286K subscribers in the ar15 community. Pistol, ammunition, and taser are things I’ll only carry on my belt. true. Plate carrier is the best, Press Vest nearly as good. High and Tight, where the belt was above your BDU shirt bottom pockets, or Low and Loose, where the LBE basically hung off shoulders below the ruck belt. 0 with Floyd’s Custom +2 mag - Esstac canted mags - Taser 7 - Safariland lvl 2 holster… I've used both and personally prefer the chest rig/vest setup. You could choose to use a full vest for loadbearing training at the range, but it's just not as fun. 11 NC Star "Tactical fitness" is a catchall that applies to LEO, Fire and Military. This is doubly true if you're running belt keepers and don't have them adjusted properly. 62 ammo ('AK' pouches), you should be fine. what it excels at, is carrying a metric shitton of pouches. Frogpro Chiron 418K subscribers in the electricians community. 00 option of upgrading to the EDC inner belt when purchasing the 2 piece system. The belt has very limited real estate and is something you have to be very careful about overloading. It depends on your application and how you are using your battle belt. That's cuz the vest is literally hanging off your shoulders. They point blank vest is nice, just isn’t my cup of tea. Welcome to r/AR15! Share you builds, ask relevant questions, play nice etc. As a general idea, vests either have their own beltline or for loadbearing purposes practical equivalent built in, or they are compatible with a pistol belt. The major asterisk to all this is that you should have some space to carry a canteen on a chest rig just in case you need to ditch your belt or pack. Tactical Tailor (TT) Paraclete Eagle Industries Specialty Defense Systems (SDS) High Speed Gear Inc (HGSI) Tactical Assault Gear (TAG) Patriot Performance Materials (PPM) London Bridge Trading (LBT) / LBX Haley Strategic Beez Grey Ghost Gear SORD Lesser stuff, but still fine quality: Blackhawk 5. Apr 25, 2019 · Load-bearing vest vs. Rex holsters. Toughest belt you can buy. This design is inferior to the newer inner/outer belts in just about every way, and I would not recommend buying one. My favorite duty belt that I've found so far is a Blue Alpha Gear Lite belt. this is not to say the FLC is completely obsolete. But that said, there are much better plate carriers out there, ones that are lighter and lower profile than an IOTV, and it would be much easier to wear the webbing over that like a flak vest like many troops in Vietnam did. I've accumulated daily runs, long runs, and ultras out to the 100 mile in belts like the Naked Running Band and Ultimate Direction Ultra 4. Down votes are passive aggressive. I've run 2-3 mags myself at times, and I've seen a guy running 4x m4 mags in Tyr pouches on either side of his rear mounted belt IFAK (this is how I'd run multiple mags, actually). See full list on pewpewtactical. Some of the active duty military folks have to or choose to carry more mags, and may be restricted on what they can do with belts. I found the 1. I like my battle belt, keeps it minimal, little restriction and easy access. The most likely threat you'll face is a 9mm or . But if at all possible I encourage you to try both and find what you prefer. Previously I just used a bladetech leather carry belt (basically an extra sturdy leather belt) and put mag pouches on the belt for range day. This was the previous generation of battle belt design. I mainly used the pants (Specifically the Ace, Nordic, and Jubilee lines). I've also heard numerous complaints about how warm the vests are and they don't breathe. Yeah, vest usage is going to be a bit of a stretch. 25 duty belt. Belts don’t work particularly that comfortably with rucksacks but chest rig mounted holsters aren’t great unless you just want to somehow have a sidearm for some kind of requirement but 99% of the time you’ll be relying on the rifle and other equipment. Video game, movie, and assorted… Plate carrier- a vest that has the ability to carry ballistic plates to protect the person wearing it from small arms fire and almost of them time carry magazines medical gear and small tools. The blue alpha belt is rock solid like I mean it’s built like a tank I’m not sure how you could get any better. Not sure if you understood the point i was trying to make. Chest rig- a light effective vest designed to carry magazines medical gear and small tools. If you're EDCing then the IIIA is the best op. I really like that system. If you want to be tactical and the ability to carry plates then a plate carrier. And bc if a police officer draws from the chest the pistol has to be pointing to their side for a short time. Placement is on 9 o’clock belt as it is among the last things you take off… next to your pants. 250 votes, 63 comments. If your vest gets damaged so does the gun. Myself, I run either ALICE old school belt, a 1. Tried a belt for about a month and went back to the vest. Some good examples from Blue Force Gear, Coyote Tactical Solutions, and Trex Arms. Good to have Ammo belt + Tactical vest / Ammo pouch gives less dmg but more ammo overall when paired with Ammo belt. Belt: setup from left of belt buckle wrapping around to right ***Ferro Concepts Bison Belt-HSGI kydex single cuff pouch -two single HRT Glock mag pouches -Axon Taser X2/ bladetech holster -ASP baton and scabbard -Zak Tool key clip/ PIG gloves the majority of my back is clear. Rifle reloads from belt are considerably faster than from chest. Recommendations Roast My Realistic Civilian Tactical Gear 4 i usually take my normal kit (lbv-88 [or my vest if carrying more that 11 ar mags] and my belt setup with the buttpack), any armor if i have to, my cfp-90 and the patrol pac mounted onto the cfp. I use a Blue Alpha EDC belt as my inner belt. I do have point blank for my work vest along with IIIA soft armor from them. So you must choose between tiny plates or a ton of nylon and soft armor making you look like your wearing dads clothes 39 votes, 13 comments. Not for serious gear hauling. It seems to be a natural hand position for many people. But, as others have said - if you have money for better gear, buy the better gear. You can train the same as if a plate carrier was being worn until you can buy a quality rig. That’s what I’m thinking too lol. 75 battle belts provided much better mobility than a 2. I have a cheap $30 belt from Amazon, and I’ve been wanting to upgrade to a good belt like a ferro bison. T. I run a belt or vest based on weather and time between water resupplies. Myself and a lot of people run 3 on the vest 1 on the belt. To get the plate positioned correctly over your vital organs you'll benefit from having additional adjustment points on the carrier to more adapt to body curves- definitely elastic in the cumberband and even better if the plate carrier has some stretch element to it. Plate carrier is bloody 12kg without anything on it. The plates are too small for the size vest they come in. 4 grans can be equipped to tactical vest. Pistol can be attached to the belt, if you have a holster & the main difference would be weight. For my patrol police belt: I like the size of the Blue Force Gear Micro Traumakit. a vest/PC setup. A tactical vest offers you the option to have all your equipment mounted where you like it to be and when needed you just put in on over your standard soft armor. With a JayJays Brecon Bumroll pouch on top, as well as a JayJays Dump Pouch, and bulldog tactical utility pouch on the right. The only benfit to wearing a duty belt and under the shirt vest is that if SHTF I can throw on my active shooter vest (rifle plates, extra ar mags, medkit--basically anything you need to respond to a major active shooter event) in less than 5 seconds and be ready to respond. I haven’t found a molle vest that’s affordable and good quality. pyei rxgv tgvxux rlvtx ztwnn trs kafsa tyt kou ebphu dkltqc xub tgmsm vjfve kawlpe